THE RECORDER: Of what he was doing at the time. All right. :@0.083627:0.089075:0.708302:0.089075:0.708302:0.064444:0.083627:0.064444:0.014802:0.017491:0.014802:0.006056:0.016159:0.014802:0.016377:0.017491:0.016159:0.017491:0.015027:0.016159:0.006735:0.006056:0.017491:0.008300:0.006057:0.017491:0.012113:0.010756:0.006735:0.006056:0.012113:0.010756:0.006056:0.017491:0.010991:0.009424:0.006057:0.012113:0.012113:0.006735:0.012113:0.012113:0.006279:0.010756:0.006735:0.006056:0.006955:0.012113:0.010756:0.006057:0.006735:0.006955:0.018617:0.010756:0.006057:0.006057:0.017491:0.006955:0.006735:0.006057:0.008067:0.006735:0.012113:0.012113:0.006735:0.006057:0.006057
MR KENNEDY: Yes. :@0.083627:0.124128:0.307468:0.124128:0.307468:0.099498:0.083627:0.099498:0.021537:0.016159:0.006056:0.017491:0.014802:0.017721:0.017491:0.014802:0.017491:0.017491:0.006735:0.006282:0.017491:0.010756:0.009424:0.006057:0.006057
THE RECORDER: I’m jumping the gun. Thank you. :@0.083627:0.159346:0.608501:0.159346:0.608501:0.134716:0.083627:0.134716:0.014802:0.017491:0.014802:0.006056:0.016159:0.014802:0.016377:0.017491:0.016159:0.017491:0.015027:0.016159:0.006735:0.006056:0.008067:0.008300:0.018617:0.006057:0.006955:0.012336:0.018617:0.012113:0.006735:0.012338:0.012113:0.006057:0.006735:0.012113:0.010756:0.006057:0.012113:0.012338:0.012113:0.006056:0.006057:0.014802:0.012336:0.010756:0.012113:0.012113:0.006505:0.011665:0.012113:0.012113:0.006057:0.006057
MR POTTINGER: Well, I .....  :@0.083627:0.194400:0.391160:0.194400:0.391160:0.169769:0.083627:0.169769:0.021537:0.016159:0.006056:0.013457:0.017491:0.015030:0.014802:0.008067:0.017491:0.017491:0.015030:0.016159:0.006735:0.006282:0.022656:0.010991:0.006735:0.006735:0.006056:0.006057:0.008067:0.006057:0.006056:0.006057:0.006057:0.006056:0.006057:0.006056:0.006057
THE RECORDER: Over to you, Mr Pottinger. :@0.083627:0.229453:0.544565:0.229453:0.544565:0.204822:0.083627:0.204822:0.014802:0.017491:0.014802:0.006056:0.016159:0.014802:0.016377:0.017491:0.016159:0.017491:0.015027:0.016159:0.006735:0.006056:0.017491:0.012338:0.010756:0.008067:0.006057:0.006735:0.012113:0.006505:0.011665:0.012113:0.012113:0.006057:0.006282:0.021537:0.008067:0.006057:0.013457:0.012113:0.006735:0.006955:0.006735:0.012113:0.012113:0.010756:0.008067:0.006282:0.006057
MR POTTINGER: I don’t - the -1 don’t - I ........  :@0.083627:0.264671:0.569481:0.264671:0.569481:0.240040:0.083627:0.240040:0.021537:0.016159:0.006056:0.013457:0.017491:0.015030:0.014802:0.008067:0.017491:0.017491:0.015030:0.016159:0.006735:0.006056:0.008067:0.006056:0.012338:0.012113:0.012113:0.008067:0.006735:0.006056:0.008067:0.006066:0.006735:0.012113:0.010756:0.006056:0.008067:0.012338:0.006057:0.012113:0.012113:0.012113:0.008067:0.006735:0.006057:0.008067:0.006316:0.008067:0.006057:0.006057:0.006057:0.006282:0.006057:0.006057:0.006056:0.006057:0.006057:0.006057:0.006057
THE RECORDER: If you call your evidence to show us that he was not covered and :@0.083627:0.287692:0.916987:0.287692:0.916987:0.263062:0.083627:0.263062:0.014802:0.017491:0.014802:0.006274:0.016159:0.014802:0.016159:0.017721:0.016159:0.017491:0.014802:0.016159:0.006735:0.006274:0.008067:0.008297:0.006274:0.011665:0.012336:0.012113:0.006274:0.010756:0.010991:0.006735:0.006735:0.006730:0.011665:0.012113:0.012113:0.008067:0.006274:0.010756:0.012113:0.006735:0.012113:0.010756:0.012338:0.010756:0.010756:0.006274:0.006735:0.012113:0.006274:0.009424:0.012113:0.012113:0.017491:0.006274:0.012113:0.009424:0.006274:0.006735:0.012113:0.010756:0.006735:0.006274:0.012113:0.010756:0.006274:0.017491:0.010756:0.009424:0.006505:0.012113:0.012113:0.006735:0.006274:0.010756:0.012113:0.012113:0.010756:0.008067:0.010756:0.012113:0.006274:0.010756:0.012113:0.012338:0.006056
then we’ll take it from there. :@0.084523:0.310385:0.368453:0.310385:0.368453:0.285754:0.084523:0.285754:0.006735:0.012113:0.010756:0.012113:0.006056:0.017491:0.010756:0.008067:0.006735:0.006735:0.006056:0.006735:0.010991:0.012113:0.010756:0.006057:0.006735:0.006735:0.006057:0.008297:0.008067:0.012336:0.018620:0.006279:0.006735:0.012113:0.010756:0.008067:0.010756:0.006057:0.006057
MR POTTINGER: Well, we — we — we simply show what he was doing at the time :@0.083602:0.343573:0.917086:0.343573:0.917086:0.318942:0.083602:0.318942:0.021537:0.016159:0.005596:0.013470:0.017491:0.014802:0.015030:0.008067:0.017491:0.017491:0.014802:0.016374:0.006735:0.005831:0.022656:0.010991:0.006735:0.006735:0.006056:0.005596:0.017491:0.010756:0.005647:0.024226:0.005596:0.017491:0.010756:0.005838:0.024226:0.005596:0.017491:0.010756:0.005606:0.009424:0.006955:0.019066:0.012113:0.006955:0.011662:0.005838:0.009424:0.012113:0.012113:0.017491:0.005838:0.017491:0.012113:0.010756:0.006735:0.005608:0.012113:0.010756:0.005608:0.017721:0.010756:0.009424:0.005838:0.012113:0.012113:0.006735:0.012113:0.012113:0.005608:0.010756:0.006735:0.005606:0.006735:0.012113:0.010756:0.005838:0.006735:0.006953:0.018617:0.010756:0.006057
and what he said to the officer. :@0.084474:0.366265:0.390823:0.366265:0.390823:0.341635:0.084474:0.341635:0.010756:0.012113:0.012113:0.006056:0.017491:0.012113:0.010756:0.006735:0.006056:0.012113:0.010991:0.006056:0.009424:0.010756:0.006735:0.012113:0.006057:0.006735:0.012336:0.006057:0.006735:0.012113:0.010756:0.006279:0.012113:0.008067:0.008297:0.006735:0.010756:0.010756:0.008067:0.006057:0.006056
THE RECORDER: Yes. And so if you want to adduce your evidence that says that he :@0.083578:0.401319:0.917023:0.401319:0.917023:0.376688:0.083578:0.376688:0.014802:0.017491:0.014802:0.005378:0.016159:0.015030:0.016159:0.017491:0.016159:0.017719:0.014802:0.016159:0.006735:0.005378:0.017721:0.010991:0.009424:0.006057:0.005378:0.017491:0.012113:0.012113:0.005608:0.009424:0.012113:0.005378:0.006735:0.008300:0.005831:0.011665:0.012113:0.012113:0.005608:0.017491:0.010756:0.012113:0.006735:0.005378:0.006953:0.012338:0.005378:0.010756:0.012113:0.012113:0.012113:0.010756:0.010756:0.005834:0.011662:0.012338:0.012113:0.008067:0.005378:0.010991:0.012113:0.006735:0.012113:0.010756:0.012113:0.010756:0.010991:0.005378:0.006953:0.012113:0.010756:0.006735:0.005378:0.009424:0.011216:0.011665:0.009644:0.005378:0.006735:0.012113:0.010756:0.006735:0.005608:0.012113:0.010543:0.006056
was driving not in accordance with this policy, then we can get on with it, can’t we?:@0.084474:0.424175:0.902185:0.424175:0.902185:0.399545:0.084474:0.399545:0.017491:0.010756:0.009424:0.006056:0.012113:0.008067:0.006735:0.012113:0.006735:0.012338:0.012113:0.006056:0.012113:0.012113:0.006735:0.006057:0.006735:0.012336:0.006057:0.010756:0.010756:0.010756:0.012336:0.008067:0.012113:0.010756:0.012113:0.010756:0.010756:0.006057:0.017491:0.006735:0.006735:0.012113:0.006279:0.006735:0.012113:0.006735:0.009424:0.006057:0.012113:0.012336:0.006735:0.006735:0.011214:0.011665:0.006282:0.006057:0.006735:0.012113:0.010756:0.012113:0.006056:0.017491:0.010756:0.006057:0.010756:0.010756:0.012336:0.006057:0.012113:0.010756:0.006735:0.006057:0.012113:0.012113:0.006282:0.017491:0.006735:0.006953:0.012113:0.006056:0.006735:0.006735:0.006057:0.006057:0.010756:0.010756:0.012113:0.008067:0.006735:0.006057:0.017721:0.010756:0.010756
MR POTTINGER: Yes. I don’t know whether I’m being told I’ve been ~ I’ve made :@0.083578:0.459229:0.917135:0.459229:0.917135:0.434598:0.083578:0.434598:0.021537:0.016159:0.006735:0.013683:0.017491:0.014802:0.014802:0.008067:0.017491:0.017719:0.014802:0.016159:0.006735:0.006953:0.017491:0.010991:0.009424:0.006057:0.006735:0.008067:0.006735:0.012338:0.012113:0.012113:0.008067:0.006735:0.006953:0.012113:0.012113:0.012113:0.017721:0.006735:0.017491:0.012113:0.010756:0.006735:0.012338:0.010991:0.008067:0.006735:0.008067:0.008297:0.018620:0.006953:0.012113:0.010756:0.006735:0.012113:0.012338:0.006735:0.006735:0.012113:0.006735:0.012338:0.006735:0.008067:0.008067:0.012113:0.010991:0.006735:0.012336:0.010756:0.010756:0.012113:0.006735:0.013235:0.006735:0.008067:0.008067:0.012113:0.010991:0.006953:0.018671:0.010766:0.012113:0.010768:0.006056
a concession which I haven’t necessarily made. :@0.084499:0.482086:0.551384:0.482086:0.551384:0.457455:0.084499:0.457455:0.010756:0.006056:0.010756:0.012113:0.012113:0.010756:0.010756:0.009424:0.009424:0.006735:0.012338:0.012113:0.006056:0.017491:0.012113:0.006735:0.010756:0.012113:0.006282:0.008067:0.006057:0.012338:0.010756:0.012113:0.010756:0.012113:0.008067:0.006735:0.006056:0.012113:0.010756:0.010756:0.010756:0.009647:0.009424:0.010756:0.008067:0.006735:0.007178:0.011665:0.006279:0.018848:0.010756:0.012336:0.010756:0.006057:0.006057
THE RECORDER: All right. :@0.083602:0.517139:0.374318:0.517139:0.374318:0.492508:0.083602:0.492508:0.014802:0.017491:0.014802:0.006056:0.016159:0.014802:0.016377:0.017491:0.016159:0.017491:0.015027:0.016159:0.006735:0.006056:0.017491:0.006735:0.006953:0.006057:0.008067:0.006735:0.012113:0.012113:0.006735:0.006057:0.006056
MR POTTINGER: That — that’s the point. :@0.083602:0.548627:0.514057:0.548627:0.514057:0.523996:0.083602:0.523996:0.021537:0.016159:0.006056:0.013457:0.017491:0.015030:0.014802:0.008067:0.017491:0.017491:0.015030:0.016159:0.006735:0.006056:0.014802:0.012113:0.010991:0.006735:0.006056:0.024226:0.006057:0.006735:0.012113:0.010756:0.006735:0.008067:0.009424:0.006282:0.006735:0.012113:0.010756:0.006057:0.012113:0.012113:0.006735:0.012336:0.006735:0.006057:0.006057
THE RECORDER: Well, listen. I think I’m — I’m -- I’m sort of jumping the gun :@0.083602:0.580462:0.917193:0.580462:0.917193:0.555831:0.083602:0.555831:0.014802:0.017491:0.014802:0.008297:0.016159:0.014802:0.016159:0.017721:0.016159:0.017491:0.014802:0.016374:0.006735:0.008523:0.022869:0.010756:0.006735:0.006735:0.006057:0.008297:0.006735:0.006735:0.009424:0.006735:0.010756:0.012113:0.006057:0.008309:0.008067:0.008309:0.006735:0.012113:0.006955:0.012113:0.012113:0.008297:0.008067:0.008300:0.018617:0.008506:0.024226:0.008309:0.008074:0.008300:0.018630:0.008288:0.008067:0.008067:0.008309:0.008067:0.008300:0.018617:0.008309:0.009424:0.012338:0.008067:0.006735:0.008309:0.012113:0.008300:0.008309:0.006735:0.012113:0.018848:0.012113:0.006735:0.012113:0.012113:0.008309:0.006735:0.012113:0.010756:0.008309:0.012338:0.012113:0.012113:0.006056
here. We’re -- we’re concerned about the civil aspect of this.:@0.084499:0.603319:0.673872:0.603319:0.673872:0.578688:0.084499:0.578688:0.012113:0.010756:0.008067:0.010756:0.006056:0.006274:0.022656:0.010756:0.008067:0.008067:0.010756:0.006124:0.008067:0.008067:0.006299:0.017491:0.010756:0.008067:0.008067:0.010756:0.006057:0.010756:0.012338:0.012113:0.010756:0.010756:0.008067:0.012113:0.010756:0.012113:0.006057:0.010756:0.012113:0.012338:0.012113:0.006735:0.006057:0.006735:0.012113:0.010756:0.006057:0.010756:0.006953:0.012113:0.006735:0.006735:0.006279:0.010756:0.009424:0.012113:0.010756:0.010756:0.006735:0.006057:0.012113:0.008300:0.006057:0.006735:0.012113:0.006735:0.009424:0.006057
MR POTTINGER: Yes. :@0.083578:0.638372:0.325155:0.638372:0.325155:0.613741:0.083578:0.613741:0.021537:0.016159:0.006056:0.013470:0.017491:0.015030:0.014802:0.008067:0.017491:0.017491:0.015030:0.016159:0.006735:0.006056:0.017491:0.010756:0.009644:0.006057:0.006056
THE RECORDER: And it may be that it will come to a position when in fact we can’t :@0.083578:0.669531:0.917004:0.669531:0.917004:0.644900:0.083578:0.644900:0.014802:0.017491:0.014802:0.005378:0.016159:0.014802:0.016159:0.017721:0.016159:0.017491:0.014802:0.016159:0.006735:0.005378:0.017719:0.012338:0.012113:0.005378:0.006735:0.006735:0.005378:0.018617:0.011216:0.011665:0.005378:0.012113:0.010756:0.005378:0.006735:0.012338:0.010756:0.006735:0.005378:0.006735:0.006735:0.005378:0.017491:0.006735:0.006735:0.006735:0.005378:0.010991:0.012113:0.018848:0.010756:0.005378:0.006735:0.012113:0.005378:0.010756:0.005378:0.012113:0.012113:0.009424:0.006735:0.006735:0.006735:0.012113:0.012113:0.005378:0.017491:0.012336:0.010756:0.012113:0.005378:0.006735:0.012113:0.005378:0.008300:0.010756:0.010756:0.006735:0.005378:0.017491:0.010756:0.005378:0.010756:0.010756:0.012113:0.008067:0.006505:0.006056
carry on. But from what I’ve heard from the two of you at the moment, let’s get on :@0.084474:0.692387:0.917106:0.692387:0.917106:0.667757:0.084474:0.667757:0.010756:0.010756:0.008067:0.008525:0.011439:0.007413:0.012336:0.012113:0.006056:0.007413:0.016159:0.012113:0.006735:0.007413:0.008300:0.008067:0.012113:0.018617:0.007413:0.017491:0.012336:0.010756:0.006735:0.007401:0.008067:0.008067:0.012113:0.010756:0.007413:0.012113:0.010756:0.010756:0.008067:0.012113:0.007413:0.008300:0.008067:0.012113:0.018617:0.007413:0.006735:0.012113:0.010756:0.007626:0.006735:0.017491:0.012113:0.007413:0.012113:0.008300:0.007626:0.011662:0.012113:0.012113:0.007413:0.010756:0.006735:0.007413:0.006735:0.012113:0.010756:0.007626:0.018617:0.012338:0.018848:0.010756:0.012113:0.006735:0.006057:0.007413:0.006735:0.010756:0.006735:0.008067:0.009424:0.007401:0.012113:0.010756:0.006735:0.007401:0.012113:0.012338:0.006056
with it. And if it gets to that point and we think there’s been an injustice done because :@0.084474:0.715080:0.917057:0.715080:0.917057:0.690449:0.084474:0.690449:0.017491:0.006735:0.006735:0.012113:0.005608:0.006735:0.006735:0.006057:0.005608:0.017491:0.012113:0.012113:0.005608:0.006735:0.008300:0.005608:0.006735:0.006735:0.005608:0.012113:0.010756:0.006735:0.009424:0.005608:0.006735:0.012113:0.005608:0.006735:0.012113:0.010756:0.006735:0.005608:0.012113:0.012113:0.006735:0.012113:0.006735:0.005620:0.010756:0.012113:0.012113:0.005603:0.017491:0.010756:0.005620:0.006735:0.012113:0.006735:0.012113:0.012338:0.005608:0.006735:0.012113:0.010756:0.008067:0.010756:0.008067:0.009424:0.005608:0.012113:0.010756:0.010756:0.012113:0.005608:0.010756:0.012113:0.005608:0.006735:0.012113:0.006735:0.012113:0.009424:0.006735:0.006955:0.010991:0.010756:0.005596:0.012113:0.012113:0.012113:0.010756:0.005596:0.012113:0.010756:0.010756:0.010756:0.012113:0.009424:0.010991:0.006057
it needs more input from KGM, then we’ll say so. My concern is this -I’m quite frank :@0.084474:0.737937:0.917099:0.737937:0.917099:0.713306:0.084474:0.713306:0.006735:0.006735:0.005606:0.012113:0.010756:0.010756:0.012113:0.009647:0.005831:0.018617:0.012113:0.008067:0.010991:0.005608:0.006735:0.012113:0.012113:0.012113:0.006955:0.005608:0.008300:0.008067:0.012113:0.018848:0.005608:0.017491:0.017491:0.021759:0.006057:0.005606:0.006735:0.012113:0.010756:0.012336:0.005608:0.017491:0.010756:0.008067:0.006735:0.006953:0.005608:0.009424:0.011216:0.011888:0.005620:0.009424:0.012113:0.006057:0.005608:0.021982:0.011662:0.005834:0.010756:0.012113:0.012338:0.010756:0.010756:0.008067:0.012113:0.005608:0.006735:0.009644:0.005608:0.006735:0.012113:0.006735:0.009644:0.005892:0.008067:0.008067:0.008300:0.018617:0.005608:0.012113:0.012113:0.006735:0.006735:0.010991:0.005608:0.008300:0.008067:0.010756:0.012113:0.012113:0.006056
- that I think this would be the simplest thing in the world to sort out, that somebody :@0.084474:0.760629:0.917186:0.760629:0.917186:0.735999:0.084474:0.735999:0.008067:0.006517:0.006735:0.012113:0.010756:0.006735:0.006505:0.008067:0.006505:0.006735:0.012113:0.006735:0.012113:0.012113:0.006517:0.006735:0.012338:0.006735:0.009424:0.006517:0.017491:0.012113:0.012113:0.006953:0.012113:0.006517:0.012113:0.010756:0.006505:0.006735:0.012113:0.010756:0.006517:0.009424:0.006953:0.018617:0.012338:0.006735:0.010756:0.009424:0.006735:0.006505:0.006735:0.012113:0.006735:0.012338:0.012113:0.006732:0.006735:0.012113:0.006505:0.006735:0.012113:0.010756:0.006505:0.017491:0.012113:0.008067:0.006735:0.012113:0.006517:0.006953:0.012113:0.006505:0.009424:0.012113:0.008067:0.006735:0.006517:0.012113:0.012113:0.006950:0.006057:0.006502:0.006735:0.012113:0.010756:0.006735:0.006505:0.009424:0.012338:0.018617:0.010756:0.012336:0.012113:0.012561:0.011892:0.006056
ought to get a letter from KGM and say “In the circumstances as told to us by Mr :@0.084474:0.783486:0.917186:0.783486:0.917186:0.758855:0.084474:0.758855:0.012113:0.012113:0.012113:0.012113:0.006735:0.008309:0.006735:0.012113:0.008309:0.012113:0.010756:0.006735:0.008309:0.010756:0.008309:0.006735:0.010756:0.006735:0.006735:0.010756:0.008067:0.008309:0.008300:0.007851:0.012113:0.018617:0.008309:0.017721:0.017491:0.021537:0.008309:0.010756:0.012113:0.012113:0.008309:0.009424:0.011216:0.011665:0.008297:0.010756:0.008067:0.012113:0.008525:0.006735:0.012113:0.010756:0.008309:0.010756:0.006735:0.008067:0.010756:0.012338:0.018617:0.009424:0.006735:0.010756:0.012113:0.010756:0.010991:0.009424:0.008309:0.010756:0.009424:0.008309:0.006735:0.012113:0.006735:0.012113:0.008309:0.006735:0.012113:0.008297:0.012113:0.009424:0.008309:0.012338:0.011665:0.008309:0.021537:0.008300:0.006057
Cordell he is...” or “...isn’t covered.” If the Crown then say, “Well, what he’s telling :@0.084474:0.806178:0.917072:0.806178:0.917072:0.781548:0.084474:0.781548:0.016159:0.012113:0.008067:0.012113:0.010756:0.006735:0.006735:0.006735:0.012113:0.010756:0.006735:0.006735:0.009424:0.006056:0.006057:0.006056:0.010756:0.006735:0.012113:0.008067:0.006735:0.010756:0.006056:0.006057:0.006056:0.006955:0.009424:0.012113:0.008067:0.006735:0.006735:0.010756:0.012113:0.012113:0.010756:0.008067:0.010756:0.012113:0.006057:0.010756:0.006735:0.008067:0.008300:0.006735:0.006735:0.012113:0.010756:0.006735:0.016159:0.008067:0.012113:0.017491:0.012113:0.006735:0.006735:0.012113:0.010756:0.012113:0.006735:0.009424:0.011216:0.011665:0.006057:0.006735:0.010991:0.022654:0.010756:0.006735:0.006735:0.006057:0.006953:0.017491:0.012113:0.010756:0.006735:0.006735:0.012113:0.010756:0.008067:0.009424:0.006735:0.006735:0.010756:0.006735:0.006735:0.006735:0.012113:0.012338:0.006056
them is a load of porky pies” then you have a case. :@0.084474:0.828871:0.584370:0.828871:0.584370:0.804240:0.084474:0.804240:0.006735:0.012113:0.010991:0.018617:0.006056:0.006735:0.009424:0.006056:0.010756:0.006056:0.006955:0.012113:0.010756:0.012113:0.006057:0.012113:0.008300:0.006057:0.012113:0.012113:0.008067:0.012561:0.011890:0.006057:0.012113:0.006735:0.010756:0.009424:0.010756:0.006056:0.006735:0.012113:0.010756:0.012113:0.006505:0.011665:0.012336:0.012113:0.006056:0.012113:0.010756:0.012336:0.010756:0.006057:0.010756:0.006282:0.010756:0.010756:0.009424:0.010756:0.006057:0.006057
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