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Q Because you say he was being un-co-operative. I suggest to you he was
standing his ground saying, “I haven’t been working here” and was saying
“Why are you lying to my insurance company?”
A I don’t — I don’t recall him saying that I’d lied to the insurance company.
THE RECORDER: You certainly hadn’t told them the truth, had you, on the face of it?
A I certainly acknowledge there’s a discrepancy there, your Honour.
THE RECORDER: Yes.
MR KENNEDY: Thank you. Nothing further.
Re-examined by MR POTTINGER
Q Did you — you said he became un-co-operative and at a later stage
claimed that he was looking for work rather than working?
Is that right?
A Yes.
Q Had you mentioned the insurance before he — in terms of him saying that
he was actually looking for work rather than working, can you help us
when that change happened?
A As soon as — for me anyway, as soon as I’d asked — as soon as I’d asked
for his documents initially and he’d said “Oh, you know, I’m busy. I’m
just going to go in there and do some work” for me the — the suspicion
was there, “Well, I need to make sure on the insurance that it covers him
for...” — “...for business” and then of
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A course over the process of saying “Can I see your insurance certificate?”
and so on, yes, it’s become clear that I’m digging into his insurance.

Q Can you actually recall seeing anything in the vehicle apart from loose
items and debris?
A No. Loose items
Q And the cards?
A. the business cards and debris, yes.
MR POTTINGER: I’ve got no further questions. Does your Honour have any questions?
THE RECORDER: Yes. Was it a solid van or an open transit?
A. My apologies, your Honour. Can you repeat
Q Was it a solid van or was it an open-backed
A. It was a closed
Q. Closed.
A panel vans.
Q. Did you look in it?
A. No, not initially, no. I don’t believe I did.
Q Did you see any ladders?
A No, I don’t recall any ladders.
Q Paint pots?
A No, I don’t recall any paint pots.
Q Tools?
A I don’t recall any tools.