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MR POTTINGER: No. Well, I — I was — I was not going to -- as far as you were - I don’t
want you to give the answers concerned, but did you — what did you tell
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A The insurers as far as you were concerned was the use that the vehicle was
being used for?
A I suspected the vehicle was being used for business purposes rather than
any of A the social, domestic, pleasure or motor trade purposes and for
that reason obviously I contacted them to see if it was covered, obviously
suspecting that Mr Cordell wasn’t actually covered to drive the vehicle on
his policy that he produced.
Q Just tell us what Mr Cordell’s appearance was, please, that day? What was
he wearing?
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A In essence both Mr Cordell but also his -- colleague or his partner, the
passenger in the vehicle, they were both sort of wearing working clothes
covered in sort of paint and dirt which again gave me sort of cause to
suspect that they were out to do some work for business.
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Q What was the -- what was in the vehicle? What was the condition of the
vehicle?
A It was, I suppose, what I might describe as just an average kind of
builder’s sort of transit van, loose sort of debris, loose items and general
dirt in the footwell area and over the dashboard. In the front of the van
also was quite a number of business cards and those business cards had
the names Simon and Dean on there, a sort of D company name or a
trading name of TS Enterprise and it also on that card offered a range of
services including general repairs, painting and decorating, man & van,
removals, cleaning and property maintenance services.
Q And so, it’s Simon Cordell, Dean Reid? That was the names of the two?
A Yes.
E I think you then pointed -- is that right? You then took the view that they
were driving without valid insurance for — for the purpose? Is that right?
Q Yes. That’s the view I formed. I obviously suspected it already but kind of
at that point I was -- yes, I pointed out the offence of driving without
insurance.
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F And you cautioned him? Is that right?
Q Yes, I did.
A And what did he say in reply to the caution?
Q He said, “Nah, you don’t know nothing. I was trying to get a job here.
You don’t understand me.”
A What -- had you proposed to do as far as the offence was concerned?
Q Basically, I would have issued a fixed penalty notice and obviously seized
the vehicle also.
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